UNESCO has declared 2025 the International Year of Quantum Science and Technology, and while the world’s still figuring out AI, there’s something even bigger creeping into the spotlight: quantum computing. It’s vast, it’s complicated, and it’s about to change everything.
But before we get into the tech, we need to talk about the man who’s making sure communities don’t get left behind in this revolution: Kofi Oppong, founder of Urban MBA. From football pitches to quantum predictions, this is his story.
From sports fields to social impact
If you ask Kofi what lights a fire under him, he’ll start with one word: sport.
“I’m sports mad,” he says with a laugh, “Sport sort of dictated my whole life.” Through sport, Kofi learned how to set goals, short-term, long-term, and everything in between. He didn’t know it at the time, but those lessons in discipline, focus, and momentum would become the bedrock for the work he does today.
It wasn’t just the game, though. There was a moment, a realisation, that flipped a switch in him. A deep frustration with how little people understand about the world around them. “It feels like someone’s pulled a light over your eyes,” he says. One book in particular cracked things open: What I Didn’t Learn at School But Wish I Had by Jamie McIntyre. It planted the seed that much of what shapes the world happens behind the curtain, and most people never get to see it.
That sense of injustice never left him.
Fuelled by frustration and a love for Arsenal
The third piece of Kofi’s fuel comes from his own lived experience within the Black community. “In every area that you look at, we are the majority in poverty,” he says. For him, the data isn’t just numbers, it’s personal. It’s generational. And it’s unacceptable.
So how does he keep going? Sport is still his release. “This past weekend it was the Japanese Grand Prix, so I was up early for that. And Arsenal, well, for all my sins, I’m still watching them. We’ve got Real Madrid coming up.” He grins, but the passion behind his words is unmistakable. It’s not just about football or Formula 1. It’s about the balance—the way that joy and fire coexist.
Education that actually prepares you for life
Urban MBA isn’t just an educational institute. It’s Kofi’s way of flipping the script.
“We’re always the buyers,” he explains, “We’re always the end users. I want to turn that on its head.”
Why now? Because we’re already deep into the Fourth Industrial Revolution. And the people who don’t see that coming? They’ll get left behind. “Every industrial revolution brings new power players,” Kofi says, referencing the likes of JP Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, and Cornelius Commodore. “The trick is: they always know when the next shift is coming, and they get in early.”
Urban MBA exists to make sure underserved communities aren’t shut out of this next shift. Through storytelling-based learning, neuroscience insights, and real-world enterprise skills, Kofi is preparing a new generation not just to survive change, but to lead it.
“We teach goal setting with vision boards, help them figure out whether they’re more left or right brain dominant, even talk about brainwaves and mindfulness before they ever touch business content,” he says. “Because how can you build anything if you don’t even know yourself yet?”
Disrupting education for the better
Kofi doesn’t mince words about traditional education. “It’s outdated. It teaches old content. It doesn’t reflect our communities. And it doesn’t work for neurodiverse learners.”
He points to the dropout rates among Black boys around age 13. No role models in the curriculum. No cultural connection. “By the time they get to career day, they’re told they’re not worth much. That they won’t make it to higher education.” The system is broken, and the cost of trying to fix it from within? Too high.
Urban MBA offers a different path, free from the gatekeeping of places like Eton and Cambridge. “We’re not just teaching content,” he says. “We’re changing narratives.”
The future (That’s already here)
So what exactly is quantum computing?
Kofi laughs, “It’s a hard subject to explain.” But he gives it a go in true storyteller fashion.
Classical computers run on ones and zeros. One or the other. Simple, right? But quantum computers? They work on qubits, atoms that exist in multiple states at once. It’s called superposition. Think Doctor Strange multiplying himself in the Avengers, except it’s real, and it’s happening at the atomic level.
“In five minutes, Google’s quantum computer did work that would take a supercomputer millions of years,” he explains. “That’s how powerful this tech is.”
And here’s the kicker; combine that power with AI, and suddenly we’re dealing with a whole new paradigm. “It’s not just about work anymore. Quantum computing could change the foundations of life as we know it.”
Why this matters more than ever
Kofi’s not just trying to keep up with change, he’s trying to make sure his community leads it.
“There’s going to be a shortage of jobs. Automation is coming. Everyone is going to need to be some form of entrepreneur,” he says. And he’s making sure that his people; the ones often told they’re not good enough, not smart enough, not rich enough, have the tools to not only be in the room, but to own the room.
Because for Kofi, it all comes back to that fire. That belief that the world can change, but only if the people most impacted by injustice are finally the ones designing the future.
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Kami 00:00:04 – 00:00:45
You’ve just tuned into InnoStation, where the latest and hottest topics are always on air. I’m your host, Kami, and each episode we serve up heat with fun chats, fire insights and special guest appearances with some surprises along the way. So UNESCO has dubbed 2025 the International Year of Quantum Science and Technology, recognising 100 years since the initial development of quantum mechanics. And one conversation that we’ve seen going on that is really big right now is AI. But something that is about to take over that space is quantum computing. And if you don’t know what that is, don’t worry. Neither did I. But we have invited Kofi Oppong.
Kami 00:00:45 – 00:01:04
Did I say that right? Kofi, who is the founder of Urban MBA, to school us on what quantum computing is and how it is about to shake up not just the future of work, but the foundations of life as we know it. Welcome to InnoStation, Kofi.
Kofi Oppong 00:01:04 – 00:01:07
Thank you. Thank you for having me, Kami.
Kami 00:01:07 – 00:01:19
Of course. I’m so glad to have you and I’m very excited for the conversation that we are about to have. But before we get into that, tell us a little bit about who Kofi is and what fuels your inner fire.
Kofi Oppong 00:01:19 – 00:02:15
That’s an interesting question. So I originally am sports mad. I came through life in sport that sort of dictated all my life for me. So if you’re asking me what source of fuel to my fire, it originally began with all these sporting aspects and actually led me to where I’ve sort of got to with Urban mba. So I learned through sport how to set goals, et cetera, short term and long term. And it’s one of those things that you don’t realise that is happening at the time. But it then made the world make more sense to me, which is why in so many aspects of charities and youth work, sport is a big part of what people do. The other thing that also fuels me a lot is the lack of understanding of how the world works by just general people.
Kofi Oppong 00:02:15 – 00:03:10
So it is, it feels like for me, a world where your eyes, somebody’s pulled the light over your eyes and you don’t really know what’s sort of happening around you. And one of the books I read when I was growing up was called What I Should have learned in school but never did by an Australian entrepreneur called Jamie McIntyre. In this book, it goes and covers things like the Federal Reserves, how they got into power, all sorts of things. And this information is really invaluable. And I felt that, or I feel that everybody needs to understand all of those things. Because a lot of what’s seen in the world isn’t really what’s going on. And you have a small pocket of people who run the world and 95% of us are, in a sense, in poverty with all this sort of going to the top. So those that gave me.
Kofi Oppong 00:03:10 – 00:03:57
And you’re saying what fuels me, that gave me a feeling of injustice and that we need to do a lot more to make sure everybody’s aware of what’s going on so that we can really contribute properly to the world. Because not having all that information means you can’t contribute properly. Yeah. Another thing. So I combine the two in terms of sport and injustice makes me who I am. I think I’m also looking at, from the community that I’m from, which is the black community, how much injustice has been done over 100 years, not just now. We don’t seem to be able to get out of it or have a proper footing in this globe. And what happens.
Kofi Oppong 00:03:57 – 00:04:37
And in every area that you look at, we are the majority in poverty. So those three things fuel who I am and what I sort of strive for. Sport is my release. For all the hassles of running a charity. I’ll give you an example. This weekend it’s the Japanese Grand Prix, so I’m going to be up early in the morning doing that. I’m an Arsenal fan, for all my sins, so I will be watching Arsenal as well a lot over the next coming weeks, because we’ve got Real Madrid and it’s a massive game, so that gives me that sense of release. But it’s the three things combined that sort of make me.
Kami 00:04:37 – 00:04:37
And Kofi, you mentioned sort of being driven by. Also, like the sense of injustice that you got from reading that book. Right. And one of the vehicles that you use to sort of address that is Urban mba. Can you tell us a little bit about the story behind how you got started with that and sort of what the intention is behind the Institute?
Kofi Oppong 00:04:57 – 00:05:33
Yes. So it does follow on from that in terms of. I feel that the problems in our community generally are our problems, because we don’t think far ahead enough in terms of where the world is going and what we are doing and how we can impact it. What tends to happen with our community is we’re always the end users and the buyers. Right. That is clearly shown that we spend the most money out of any other. We do. And what I want to do is sort of turn it on.
Kofi Oppong 00:05:33 – 00:06:48
Turn it on its head is the best way just to describe it and make sure that we are trying to provide services or we will be providing services that take into account the future. Now it’s more important than ever before because we’re in the fourth industrial revolution and we’ve been in it for about 15, 20 years. And the speed of technology brings great opportunity. And those great opportunities can be dealt with now if we understand what is happening and prepare better. Whenever I’ve looked at history, what tends to happen is that every industrial revolution brings those new people, new technologies and new ways of work. There is a movie called or a series called the Men who Built America. In that series it looks a lot at the JP Morgans of the world, the Andrew Carnegie’s and that revolution that’s happening in America and how a lot of them got to power. But there’s always a shift and there’s a guy in there called Cornelius Commodore and his family, Vanderburg, his family is still around now, just not as rich as they were.
Kofi Oppong 00:06:48 – 00:07:35
Having said that, all the others are now that time America was obviously coming out of its revolution and things like ships were being used for E commerce but all of a sudden they were building train lines. Now PS Commodore decided to get rid of all of his ships and gamble purely on the train lines that were coming. And it made him a billionaire because he knew it was going to cut down how you ship stuff in half. And that’s an example of what happens in these times. Something like that’s going on and those people that react to it properly tend to make the money. But what you’ve also seen is that those that came from that area era are called the entrepreneurs, the first entrepreneurial rock stars.
Kami 00:07:35 – 00:07:36
Yes.
Kofi Oppong 00:07:36 – 00:08:37
What they’ve done is they’ve continued to be in those positions of power because they can always see when there’s other revolutions happening and they’re always invested in all of those companies that are about to go stellar with it. It doesn’t mean they don’t have to be involved in it because they made their money at their time. But what they can do is use their money to be in the next revolution by being involved in all the companies that will be there. And so their power is never ever given up and they continue to be in that circle. And so we need to think about how we do that, especially in this time because we’ve never had an industrial revolution like it. It’s the biggest change we’re ever going to have. And I want to prepare the next generation to understand it now, be ready for it and to be contributing to it. Because that’s the only way, as one of my fires, I was talking about that if we want to move the black community on, we have to understand these areas and also how to invest.
Kofi Oppong 00:08:37 – 00:08:58
So Urban MBA is an educational company. We teach level six, level three enterprise, and we do it by making sure, first and foremost that it doesn’t. It tackles the problems that happen in education as it stands, which is… its education tends to be teaching older subject matter.
Kami 00:08:58 – 00:08:59
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:08:59 – 00:09:51
Younger people are not engaging with education as much. There’s been a bigger problem of neurodiversity and you see this in the fact that a lot of entrepreneurs are the dyslexics of the world and all of that. They had to learn in a different way. So it’s interesting that most of those are the ones that didn’t get along with school, who are businesses. So I look at the problem with school in a couple of areas. In particular, 0 to 7 is the main time that you can influence a child. After seven years old, they tend to start making their own decisions about what’s going on in life and you have less of an influence on them. So that particular area is really important. What we see in the UK in terms of school is that black men in particular start dropping off the rails around the age of 13.
Kofi Oppong 00:09:51 – 00:10:53
Now, the problem with that is that there’s no male role models within the curriculum in schools and nothing about talk or anything else. And so that’s why they start disengaging. Then there’s a third period that when they go to the Career advisor day at the end of their time in school, they’re told they’re not worth anything and it’s unlikely that they can get higher education. So those things compound the problem. Then we have another issue in that to get higher education, it’s really expensive uk Oxford and Cambridge, which are the top two schools, obviously get all of most of their students from nine schools in the uk, the most famous one being Eton, which is where a lot of the royal families etc go to. We obviously have other universities, etc. That people can go to, but the cost and the expense is too much for most of the people from my community or our communities. And we need to offer an alternative.
Kofi Oppong 00:10:53 – 00:11:27
When we do offer an alternative, it has to be, as I said, being able to create and look to the future and have a different type of curriculum. So one of the things that we do as an example in our courses is that it’s all about storytelling. We tell stories. That’s the best way to learn. You being an African, you understand What I mean, our stories are taken down all the way through. So every single one of our curriculums has a theme and a story which makes it easier for them to remember. We also teach them about. So a lot of it’s around neuroscience.
Kofi Oppong 00:11:27 – 00:12:31
Nobody gets to learn about business until they do the first part of the course, which is about yourself. So these are things like learning whether you’re more left brain or right brain dominant because it has a slight picture on whether you’re creative or not. All of those things you need to understand. We go as far as teaching brainwave patterns because it’s really important that this generation learns and understands about meditation and mindfulness, where things can stop mental health in a big way and they’re not talked about in school. So all of that stuff is involved in it before they even get to the business part. And as an example of the first curriculum, just to show you very quickly, is that we do goal setting where they have to do vision boards about where they go maybe 15 or 20 years in the future. And then they have to do a medium set of goals, which is how they’re going to get there, and the short term goal, which is what do you need to do now in order to get started on that path. So that became what Urban MBA is really about.
Kofi Oppong 00:12:31 – 00:13:26
And I feel that as we go forward, because of the amount of automation coming, whether it’s from robots or products, like even when you look at Deliveroo and Uber, they’re all automated services in a way now, but they’re going to get a lot stronger, much more automated, which will leave us, us a lot more time on our hands and so less jobs on our hand because there’s going to be a shortage of jobs. We don’t know what jobs are going to be created yet. So I believe that everybody will probably need to be some form of entrepreneur. So that’s how it works in terms of urban MBA. We run six 12 weeks, one year courses primarily focusing on enterprise. And then we also look at what jobs are coming and help people who are going to be employed to then understand the real jobs that are going to be there so they can skill up for those.
Kami 00:13:26 – 00:13:52
And I think one of your focuses at Urban MBA is sort of preparing for something like this or not preparing, but like finding ways that we can function in the fourth Industrial revolution, especially with a lot of the changes happening so rapidly. And one thing that is going to contribute a lot more to that is quite quantum computing. And with this being the international year of quantum, can you briefly explain to us what quantum Computing is.
Kofi Oppong 00:13:52 – 00:15:53
And that is such a hard subject to explain because people are not aware of what. What it is and how it may change things. So, okay, so quantum computers, obviously, are a new type of computer and very different to classical computers. Now, the way classical computers work are ones and zeros, and it only does one or the other. Yeah, quantum computer, what’s happening is there are millions and billions and trillions of atoms all around us, and everything that we know, whether it’s from a cup to you, is made out of atoms. So that’s where quantum computers, your first thinking is, is that we are manipulating atoms that are around us that we cannot see at this precise time. Now, these atoms, when observed, and this was a study done a little while ago, they actually change particles and change it to wave particles and different things once they’re observed, which made people realise that they were sentient and they knew when they were being observed. So an atom is made up of electrons, neurons, and protons, and those are the things that are manipulated by lasers or light, depending on what sort of quantum computer you have to then work for us. And to explain how that sort. Why quantum computers are so much faster and better, is that they work on these things called qubits, which is basically an atom, and how many atoms they can manipulate. So right now, there are a certain level of qubits, which is just how many atoms they can manipulate at a time. And so the more that grows, the more it becomes more powerful. But to give you an understanding, there’s a clip in the Avengers movie when they’re having the final fight with Thanos, where Dr. Strange multiplies himself in the fight against him.
Kofi Oppong 00:15:53 – 00:16:47
Now, when he multiplies himself, he’s obviously trying to get rid of Thanos, But Thanos then finds the real Doctor Strange, and then the others all disappear. If we relate that to quantum. And I asked a classical computer to maybe go around a room with 100 people and find somebody who’s called Jane. It will go to each person until it reaches Jane, and then says, here’s your answer. Yeah, right. So it obviously does it a lot faster than us in terms of making that decision. But if I had a quantum computer, the atom would multiply and go to each person and find the answer to that a lot quicker than what a classical computer would do. And that’s so much faster because it multiplies itself and exists in more than one place at a time.
Kofi Oppong 00:16:47 – 00:17:19
That is what’s called superposition, because a quantum computer can multiply itself in the same way I just described Dr. Strange. So what it can do then is that Google just did five minutes worth of work with their quantum computer. That they said a normal super computer, not a normal classical. A supercomputer, which is a network of computers together, would take a step to do. Right. And I can’t even tell you how many zeros that is at the end of what a septillion is. But that just shows you the power of what’s coming.
Kofi Oppong 00:17:19 – 00:17:46
In five minutes, it would do enough work that would equate to a supercomputer maybe 15 or 20 generations of us would be able to do. And that’s why it is such an important technology. It also will mix and change a lot of other technologies, like AI. So if we start using AI at the quantum level, there are a lot of interesting things that could happen.
Kami 00:17:46 – 00:18:22
Yeah. And I think right now we’re also fascinated with AI and how that’s been developing. And I think because most people have no idea that quantum computing even exists, it’s insane. Just the scale of what’s actually coming and with it being expected to become the next big conversation that we’re going to have. How prepared would you say that we are from a business perspective and then just a workforce perspective as well for the sort of onset of quantum computing into everyday things?
Kofi Oppong 00:18:22 – 00:18:54
Well, I think not even in a business sense. I think what we could be seeing is multiple things that we know from health to all these are being solved. A quantum computer could read every single hieroglyph from the past. Right. We’re always talking about our history. So we’re about to find out more about our history than we’ve ever known, which might be more scary. The beliefs that we think are there, we might find our no longer real. Right?
Kami 00:18:54 – 00:18:55
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:18:55 – 00:19:52
And that means people’s lives might completely and utterly change. There is a whole load of people that don’t believe there’s anything to do with God, Jesus Christ and that we came from elsewhere. We’re going to find those answers out very soon, whether these are true or not by even reading stuff back all the way to the Egyptian time periods and all these codes that we’ve never been able to break. And so many people believe in this stuff already. We already have the answers with quantum computers, but we have to bring it in slowly because of how fundamentally it will change what we believe. So we’re not even talking about business here, which was your question, we’re just talking about how general life has a massive impact on the way we are. But we soon should be able to cure things like cancer because we’re talking cellular level right there. All of those things should be able to come out of a quantum computer as we go forward.
Kofi Oppong 00:19:52 – 00:20:46
So fundamentally everything that we know will change, not just business, the way we view things. We might develop a fantastic new field where we know we’re going towards hydrogen. We might find different ways because quantum computers are also making different periodical table elements. And so things that, you know, these things, it’s endless. And that’s why I’m not really stuck to just the business side of things. What I’m talking about here is that what we know as life is going to fundamentally change because of these new technologies, AI being one of them, but quantum being the absolute top one. And you’re asking about lack of knowledge. If you see the UNESCO website, it calls out for everybody to start sharing this information because people don’t know what’s about to hit them.
Kofi Oppong 00:20:46 – 00:21:50
So they’re trying to get this information out there around this hundred years of quantum. And we’ve done a quantum hackathon where we use this type of thing that I was talking to you about in terms of Marvel etc to help make people understand and to get our young people from our community excited about it. You know when they can get involved in this stuff now early, it’s a great time period because then you’re going to be involved with all these scientific breakthroughs that are going to happen and the changes as well in life. So long way of answering your question, but businesses just don’t have a clue because right now they’re occupied with AI. That’s the first thing on their mind. How do they deal with their workforce with AI? I’m about to do a workshop on AI for an organisation in the UK and they’ve just told me that they are going towards a four day work week which is all being predicted that this is likely to happen because of this industrial revolution and we’re not even ready for that type of thing as yet.
Kami 00:21:50 – 00:22:48
And I think that’s the thing, right? That’s, that’s the scary but exciting thing about this particular conversation is you have this thing that’s coming in that none of us are prepared for really, but it’s going to shift. So many things and so many changes are coming in. And like you said, like from a business perspective we’re still very much trying to navigate AI. So I think it is a little bit scary to think that AI is already giving us a run for our money. Quantum computing is about making a lot of things redundant. A lot of things are going to become obsolete and that’s a scary reality. Right. And I think as much as it’s going to change the world of business, I think they also just in with, with stuff like AI, especially in the AG space, you find that they are falling behind on that, on that front in terms of like educating people and sort of getting that integrated into the education system anyway.
Kami 00:22:48 – 00:23:00
So how do you think that education needs to change so that people are sort of skilled and employable for things like the inception of quantum computing?
Kofi Oppong 00:23:00 – 00:23:16
Yeah. So I think when we’re looking at things like Cameron, the first thing we’ve got to do is what are the problems of education? I think maybe look first and foremost. So the problems of education are very clear for me very clearly if you have 40, 45 students in a class and one teacher.
Kami 00:23:16 – 00:23:17
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:23:17 – 00:24:07
So that’s first and foremost the teacher, the, the, the student enough time. Secondly, they’re not talking about this stuff now and only now are they saying we need to have quant AI in schools. It’s very obvious to students, and we’ve been teaching them this for over 12 months now, 18 maybe right to the beginning. You can change your CV very quickly now. Cover letters, etc were a nightmare for me when I remember when I was looking for jobs in terms of what you have to do. And you have to tailor it all together. We show them how to put this stuff on AI and the AI will then tailor your skills as best as it can towards the job that you’re applying for. So it will then also write you a cover letter and highlight your strengths and you can do that in 10 minutes.
Kofi Oppong 00:24:07 – 00:24:20
So you can apply for multiple jobs and for a much more neurodiverse group of people coming through, dyslexia and all those things no longer matter.
Kami 00:24:20 – 00:24:21
Right.
Kofi Oppong 00:24:21 – 00:25:09
So you’ve got to get it. It no longer matters because it will write. Even if you write in your dyslexia style with an AI computer, it recognises what you’ve said and we’ll do that for you. So what we then have is a tool that can potentially help all of them. So one, the problem is that teachers haven’t got enough time and some of these will help people do things quicker. The second that we have is that education isn’t keeping up. So there’s been the whole riot for two years about whether AI is going to make people dumb, should it be allowed in school, etc. So I’m going to give you an example of a student that we did not study with. A lady that works with our charity asked if her daughter could come and do some work experience with us.
Kofi Oppong 00:25:09 – 00:26:17
We taught her how to use Claude. Now she has mental health and typical of somebody who’s got neurodiverse issues around this time, she doesn’t get up on time. So we used to say, come in and she would give me a message about 11, 12 o’clock saying I’ve only just woken up and then turn up at 1 or 2 o’clock in the afternoon. So I was aware that that was going to happen by her mum, so it was okay. But because she suffered from mental health, there were going to be also some problems in terms of potentially as she went to school later on. What is better? Recently I had a report from her mum saying that she’s getting all top distinctions in school and her mental health right down. Why? Because she learned to use AI while she was here and it’s helped her to do her stuff quicker and deliver and not feel so stressed under the pressure of deadlines that universities usually give you. And so that’s an example of how some of this stuff can help, even with somebody at that age whose mum was really worried about going to university.
Kofi Oppong 00:26:17 – 00:27:18
We’re also seeing whole schools being opened up, only being taught by AI. So they’re using glasses? Yeah, there’s two or three in the UK and they’re looking at that at the moment. So even schooling is going to change in this way where there’s going to be more. Yeah, there you might have to research them. But there’s two or three schools in the UK who have started using just AI as teachers. They’re alternative schools, other Met. But that is not starting to happen. So we’re going to have to look at what role will AI play in terms of teaching kids in the future in schools and how many schools or how many teachers do we need? And do we need schools in even the same way that we currently have them? All of those are going to be questions that we need to pose over the next five or ten years as to what an actual school looks like because of all these technologies and how they impact me, you and the generations below.
Kofi Oppong 00:27:18 – 00:28:08
Another technology such as neuralink, as an example, Elon Musk is putting these chips in people’s heads. Imagine if neuralink is developed and it’s a little small thing that you put at the back of your head that can then upload all information like the Matrix into your head. Then what? Right. And the reality is these are the types of things as crazy as they sound, that we have to think of in terms of what our futures could look like. Now, some people have answers to this because they know where the technology is going. But we have to look at all of those problems like too many teachers. I’m sorry. Too many students to teach us and figure out the best way to be able to develop that and then how we can use technology to alleviate the problems that we currently are seeing in school.
Kami 00:28:08 – 00:28:38
And I think that is sort of. I like that you highlighted positives, like the positives of what these things could do for people. Right. Because I think everybody at the moment is sort of nervous about, okay, we’re not going to be skilled and then we’re going to lose our jobs, and then nobody’s going to be able to get a job. But it’s like, I think if the earlier people get to learn to use these tools, the better, because then we’re able to sort of be empowered and then you can be. Because, I mean, it still needs somebody to run the thing, right?
Kofi Oppong 00:28:38 – 00:28:38
Yes.
Kami 00:28:38 – 00:29:19
So you still. Yeah. So the more jobs you’re able to get, the more skills you’re able to get in terms of utilising these tools, then it positions you better to be able to sort of go into the future of work, which actually is a segue into my next question. Right. I wanted to sort of get from you what your perspective is on the future of work and what that looks like. Especially because one thing that you focus on at Urban MBA is upskilling. And this isn’t just for your employees. It’s also for getting entrepreneurs to come in, students and everyday people to give them the skills that they need to be able to prepare for this future workspace.
Kofi Oppong 00:29:19 – 00:29:26
Yes. So in terms of potential jobs, they said there’s going to be a shortage of 400 million jobs.
Kami 00:29:26 – 00:29:27
Wow.
Kofi Oppong 00:29:27 – 00:30:11
400 million was the last that across the globe, and that’s on the World Economic Forum. So you can check that out in terms of what that looks like. Upskilling is going to involve you needing to know something about data. Data is the number one thing I’ve said. We’re going to bring it back to Quantum as an example, which is right now, a lot of people are worried about cyber security because of Quantum, and you’re going to have to start. You will start seeing so many jobs are around for cyber security people moving into that. So when we have students and they’re looking for jobs, one of the things that they always used to give here as a great, easy way of getting a job is what they call, I believe it’s an SIS card. I can’t.
Kofi Oppong 00:30:11 – 00:30:48
I can never remember what it is, which is your security pass. And people, young people get jobs as security guards on the doors of clubs, bars, and all of those types of things. Now, second, first and foremost, a lot of those are going to be replaced by robots soon. And different types of means of getting in that you will. But the jobs that come in are in cybersecurity. So we point them towards those cyber security educational areas that can help them to get into those areas. So we have to look at how the jobs are coming out and then prepare them for that. But you’re going to need it.
Kofi Oppong 00:30:48 – 00:31:35
It’s the people who can run the computers or the data that are more likely to have jobs. And when you’re doing entrepreneurship, you really do have to look at your data too. So you start understanding these types of things, whether it’s the analytics of your website and you’re looking at tracking information that might be your first start. But also how can you get AI to give you data that you can manipulate? And that’s what a lot of things are going to be about as well. When you get data from different areas, what do you do with it and how do you utilise it? So with the shortage of jobs, the first things that we need to do is look at what jobs are coming out of these sectors. Now we have nine that we feel are going to create a lot of the jobs there. And we’re saying look for jobs in those sectors. So it could be coded, 3D, printing, coding.
Kofi Oppong 00:31:35 – 00:32:16
We know that’s going to increase by a certain amount. We know that, yeah, that data entry jobs are increasing because more people want to understand the data. And we have to put them into those first initial areas because there isn’t enough information about what jobs are going to be created with these new areas yet. And so that’s why the shortage is there. So we have a bit of a problem. Nobody’s predicted what those jobs are going to be, but they’re going to be around those nine areas. So the first thing is to help them understand what these technologies are and then how they can utilise those for what jobs are in those industries. And that’s how we do it.
Kami 00:32:16 – 00:32:54
Sure. That is hard to digest. Like, it’s like, oh, my gosh. I think it is important to note that, like, yeah, sure, some of these jobs haven’t been predicted yet because everything is still unfolding. I mean, we’re living this in real time. But having information like knowing things like, okay, these are the sectors where there’s going to be a lot of development to look in that area. And this is how you can, even now in your own industry, sort of use these skills and apply them here. This is how you can upskill in this area to make sure that you are prepared for that, for that wave of, like, when things happen.
Kami 00:32:54 – 00:33:27
In one of our previous conversations, Kofi, you had mentioned that things like universal income inside hustles was. But that, like, something like universal income just off the back of these new jobs that are coming in might have to be a thing that is implemented globally. Right. And you’ve also mentioned that, like side things like side hustles will become a necessity. It’s no longer just like, oh, I want a side hustle. It will become necessary for you to have multiple things going on. Some people might be opposed to this, like with everything. Can you explain why it is necessary? Or things like that will become necessary.
Kami 00:33:27 – 00:34:04
And then also sort of the impact that something like quantum computing could have on the wealth gap. In particular, one of our previous conversations you had mentioned that things like universal income might have to be sort of implemented off the back of all of the changes that are coming in in the workforce. And also that things like side hustles will become a necessity because you might need to absolutely sort of supplement your income. Right. I want to find out from you what, why you think that this is going to be a necessity. And then also sort of the impact that something like quantum computing will have on the wealth gap as well.
Kofi Oppong 00:34:04 – 00:34:49
Okay, so to first answer your question, you have to always look at what’s going on around the globe. There are over 50, 60 countries testing universal basic income. So that tells you something. Yeah, that tells you something. Alaska has the one that’s used maybe the most. There is a form of universal basic income even in Saudi Arabia and all those countries, if you look at the way that they operate. But Alaska has extra oil money and they asked what they should do in terms of the people and they all asked for a basic income. And so what happens is they get a monthly income and they’re probably the best example, difficult to use, of what could happen in that way.
Kofi Oppong 00:34:49 – 00:35:09
Now, interestingly enough, when studies have been done and looked at, what happens when these people know that every single month they probably have just enough to cover maybe their rent or below that, so they don’t have to think about how they cover their rent so much is that mental health has gone down a hell of a lot in Those countries.
Kami 00:35:09 – 00:35:10
Right, yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:35:10 – 00:35:58
That’s very interesting from that perspective. The second perspective to look at is that we were always entrepreneurs because there was no such thing as money at a particular time in our life. And it was an exchange of values. And these exchanges of values have been superseded because money has become the thing that we’ve used. And for that it means that money is in certain people’s hands. They can dictate what happens with the world. Now, if we’re going to have 400 million job shortages and we don’t know what those jobs that are going to be created will do, to look at that, it means there’s going to be a shortfall somewhere, and that’s why this universal basic income is being tested by multiple countries, because they know it’s happening. And I always say, you’ve got to follow.
Kofi Oppong 00:35:58 – 00:36:21
If you’re looking at technology, you’ve got to follow where the money is. If you’re looking at where the world’s operating, you’ve also got to look at what’s being said, because people are telling the truth of what’s being said. And if you go on to places like the World Economic Forum, it will tell you there’s going to be a job shortage, because unlike every previous industrial revolution, this is the one where we can be replaced by things like robots now.
Kami 00:36:21 – 00:36:22
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:36:22 – 00:37:04
Whether you take Elon Musk seriously or do not like him or not, he has a great track record of selling things and he believes he’s going to be selling a million robots a year. Soon we’re going to have robots serving us in our house. Robots. I went to Saudi Arabia to do a talk at a LEAP event when I went to do tech education and they were already robots serving in some of the restaurants then. We’ve got cleaning. We’ve got cleaning robots now. So those people who are cleaners, technically, we won’t need them unless you know how to run the robots that do the cleaning. So that as 10 people’s jobs get reduced to one, right, these are the things that we’re talking about and why we need to do that.
Kofi Oppong 00:37:04 – 00:38:00
So if we add all of those things in, it means that we have to become entrepreneurial to earn money, because there’s a good chance that most of the stuff that we do as jobs will have changed. I’ll give you another quick example of that, as all the students that were going to university used to rely on cashier jobs at Tesco’s and all of those here in the UK. I’m not sure what it’s like in South Africa or. But it’s what it used to take them through. They no longer exist. Already now, right, we’re seeing that you’ve got one cashier maybe and all the other ones are self-serve Amazon Fresh, which is the store that has no cashiers at all. You just go in and pick up the stuff and walk out. Because all of these things are happening and all of those supermarkets that we know are all preparing their own versions.
Kofi Oppong 00:38:00 – 00:38:14
So that’s an example. So what’s happened to them? They’ve now become Deliveroo drivers. The. The students who will be cashiers have become Deliveroo drivers. But we also know that drones are about to deliver food as they deliver food in China.
Kami 00:38:14 – 00:38:15
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:38:15 – 00:38:58
Or later drones are going to deliver the food, which means that’s going to be the end of that area for those people. So my point is all of these things are going to be. So you’re. If you’re going to have some form of employment, then it is likely that it will be your own small business that you’re going to be running. And that’s why everybody needs to think about it, because there isn’t anything at the moment that we can do that cannot be done by a robot or better. And so what they’re saying then is how we survive is our critical thinking skills and our creativity is going to be the difference between us and the robots. Well, that’s very fine, but that doesn’t deal with the jobs fully. It doesn’t feel full.
Kofi Oppong 00:38:58 – 00:39:38
So creatives. And we’re all going to become creative, we’re all going to become artists. How does that work? You know, and that’s how we need to be looking at it and thinking about it. And what. That’s why people need to become entrepreneurs, because that’s how they’re going to earn money. What should really happen, Kami, if the world was operating as one and we didn’t have all these factions and Mr. Trump wasn’t doing what he was doing and we could all work together, is that this should allow us to become the best of us. We should have everything automated that we don’t want to do.
Kami 00:39:38 – 00:39:40
Exactly. Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:39:40 – 00:39:48
And then we can really start developing ourselves. Even from 0 to 7 at schooling level, everybody should be able to try everything. Right?
Kami 00:39:48 – 00:39:49
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:39:49 – 00:40:42
Then you become creative, but you come creative because you’ve been given a chance to be a pianist, you’ve been given a chance to be an artist, you’ve been given a job. These opportunities weren’t really given to people at that time, but now is a chance that we get the best people in those areas because they’re not forced to do other things that just earn money. And so we could become the best of humanity if it wasn’t controlled by this little level of people. And this is the opportunity for us to start doing that. These technologies have the capabilities of solving poverty, hunger across the globe. Right. So if we manage to do that, then how much better would the world be? And we can focus on better things. We should be able to eliminate all the horrible things in the world because we will be doing all the things that we love and we’re just happy people.
Kofi Oppong 00:40:42 – 00:40:53
But unfortunately, technology is not the enemy. It’s the people who wield it. And that’s the problem. That’s right. So.
Kami 00:40:53 – 00:40:55
That really is the problem.
Kofi Oppong 00:40:55 – 00:41:04
Because as far as I see, I’m excited about not doing that. But you cannot control whole countries if they’re not in poverty camps.
Kami 00:41:04 – 00:41:05
That’s true. Exactly.
Kofi Oppong 00:41:05 – 00:41:26
I control people if they’re not in poverty. Poverty. You can’t control people if they’re not in distress. Yeah. You can’t control people if they’re happy and don’t need you. Right. The whole thing. And so a lot of the elements that we’re seeing in there are about power and people’s power at the top.
Kofi Oppong 00:41:26 – 00:42:22
So what, we should become somebody. There should be a mandate for us to be all working together as a group to do that. But unfortunately, and it will come out of all these small areas, but it then gives us this chance now that we’re going to have more time on our hands. How do we structure what we do with our life? How do we structure and become more positive about doing all of these things? And that for me is the scary thing why we’ve created things like urban MBAs. Because we want them to think about that. That’s what they have to think about. How can we become better? And then we can eliminate a lot of this stuff. But if we also make known what’s coming, we can then fight back against it to ensure that we go towards that area. And if you’re on the spiritual side, Kam, people keep talking about this as an awakening time period. I mean, the world feels like at the moment it is just full of rubbish.
Kofi Oppong 00:42:22 – 00:42:45
Right. People are feeling it everywhere. There’s pressure, prices on food are going up. Yet we’re at a time period where we’re about to get technologies that could eliminate everything, every negative thing in our life. How is that possible? And I think those are the questions that people need to start asking: how is that possible? That at this time when everything could be solved, we’re actually fighting the other way.
Kami 00:42:45 – 00:42:46
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:42:46 – 00:43:04
And can’t work out what’s going on. We’ve got tariffs, dictation, more fighting across the globe on religion. And those are the things that I’m hoping will be eliminated when these technologies come along and we can see these things. And that’s why people need to be given access to it.
Kami 00:43:04 – 00:43:04
Yes.
Kofi Oppong 00:43:04 – 00:43:31
Across the globe, because then we can solve these problems. But in those small pockets of hands. It’s very unlikely, in my opinion. After reading books like Jamie McIntyre’s How People Don’t Work and how a lot of these money people are power hungry. It’s not about money, it’s more about power. Right. But I like to see the DRC never have to worry about people ripping them off on minerals, you know. Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:43:31 – 00:43:54
I would like to not see young kids walking, having to go down and pull minerals out. That should be done by robots and the DRC should control it and make their money. But these. Yeah. You know, this is that we need to think a bit bigger. And I’m sort of chin and standing on a soapbox here. But the reality is, we have the opportunity to backstory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:43:54 – 00:43:55
So we really do.
Kami 00:43:55 – 00:43:56
Yeah.
Kofi Oppong 00:43:56 – 00:44:25
We’ve got to try and take it. Whether it’s a spiritual awakening or not, this is the time to really push for these types of things. And that’s what watching too much of TV and all these things takes you away from because you’re not clear. You’re thinking. Right. There’s too much stuff out there that’s making people think negatively and trying to fight for their small pockets when it’s actually the biggest time of abundance and people have the opportunity to do much more. And with clear thinking, a lot of this other stuff doesn’t matter.
Kami 00:44:25 – 00:44:40
Exactly. And that’s why I was so excited to sort of have this conversation. Because just even in our intro session, I got so excited about the whole thing. I told anybody that would listen leading up to recording, I was like, guys, you know that this is happening.
Kofi Oppong 00:44:40 – 00:40:40
I know.
Kami 00:44:40 – 00:44:41
You are aware.
Kofi Oppong 00:44:41 – 00:44:42
Yeah.
Kami 00:44:42 – 00:45:21
You do see a lot of. I mean I have, I follow a lot of the spiritual stuff and the spiritual conversations that have been happening online. But yeah, to know that like, because you are right, there are a lot of sorts of things that tend to lean a little bit more negative. And I think it’s just how everybody is feeling right now. But it definitely does feel like things suck right now because we’re literally on the edge of Something. And your perspective, having a positive perspective about that really does open you up to seeing how you can get it where you can fit in versus when you lean into the negative. Then you just start to feel like you sort of lose hope. And, and, and that’s not good.
Kami 00:45:21 – 00:45:32
But yeah, this conversation is so important and I really, really hope that people hear this and it’s not just a conversation that we’re having and we’re all nodding and then everybody goes away and they do nothing with this.
Kofi Oppong 00:45:32 – 00:45:54
Like, well, I mean, just giving you the whole thing. On Urban mba, we’re just, we’re trying to disrupt education, which hasn’t changed for 100 years. People call, people call me mad. You know, you will never do it. They will never allow you to. Well, let me just point out a couple of things. One, it has to change because of technology. As I mentioned to you, there’s no, there’s no going away from it.
Kofi Oppong 00:45:54 – 00:46:33
If there is going to be a time, this is the time to. Three, if I believe that you can never change this thing, then I shouldn’t be living or even trying to do this. The problem is we have to try and change it and we need to have the courage to change it because otherwise we don’t move forward. And we. For me, I think everybody needs to think about what is the best of them. Yeah, I think this is the best of me. What I can do here might be the best. And if I achieve that, I can go to bed, I will finish my life happy that I’ve managed to make one thing very influential in the world.
Kofi Oppong 00:46:33 – 00:46:58
Now everybody has that in the camp. The problem is that they’ve been told, sideswiped, moved into all sorts of things that distract them from ever becoming what they really could be and how we could really change. And that’s what’s important for us to remember as well. So I might be talking about all this tech stuff and everything else, but at the end of the day, every individual does their bit. Yeah, the other issues.
Kami 00:46:58 – 00:47:38
Exactly. And what you just said reminds me of a meme that I saw online with a girl. She was like, we’re all living on a rock and it’s floating in space. And that’s incredible. And you’re worried about a bill. Like, do you not understand the gravity of, like, what it means to even be alive? And I think that’s the thing because there’s so much going on, everybody’s so worried about just trying to live, really, you know. Yeah, we are very much distracted and I think we’re all sort of losing touch with what it really is about, like what it really means to be alive and that everybody sort of has a purpose for being here and that’s what we need to be focused on. Right.
Kami 00:47:38 – 00:47:48
And things like AI and things like what’s happening in tech are really just here to help us along on that journey versus the journey being about those things. You get what I mean?
Kofi Oppong 00:47:48 – 00:47:48
Yeah.
Kami 00:47:48 – 00:48:06
But yeah, this has been such a great conversation, Kofi. And before I let you go, I would love to play a little game with you. Have a game run in a session that we call Hot Takes. And how it works is I ask you a series of rapid fire questions and then you just answer hearts or not, depending on how you feel about the topic.
Kofi Oppong 00:48:06 – 00:48:07
Okay.
Kami 00:48:07 – 00:48:13
Okay, cool. So how do you feel about Bukayo Saka becoming captain one day?
Kofi Oppong 00:48:13 – 00:48:24
Oh, hot. That would be. You know, we’re talking about great people and I know I’m going away from the question, but everybody loves him because he’s a great guy and that’s why.
Kami 00:48:24 – 00:44:42
Yes.
Kofi Oppong 00:48:25 – 00:48:25
Yeah.
Kami 00:48:25 – 00:48:41
No, he really is. I’m not even like an Arsenal fan, but like I watch, I watch Arsenal games depending on who they’re playing against. And I’m like, okay, Saka, go ahead. How do you feel about the book Atomic Habits by James Clear?
Kofi Oppong 00:48:41 – 00:48:45
Oh, I’ve not read that yet. Atomic Habits by James.
Kami 00:48:45 – 00:48:56
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of people. It’s. It’s basically one of these self help books, but I’ve seen a lot of great reviews about it. I haven’t read it myself either yet, but I’ve seen a lot of great reviews about it.
Kofi Oppong 00:48:56 – 00:49:04
Okay, maybe I’m gonna look that up then. But if it’s got Atomic in it, I’m definitely interested.
Kami 00:49:04 – 00:49:11
How do you feel about plot twists in movies that involve clones?
Kofi Oppong 00:49:11 – 00:49:17
Hot. Because I’m under the impression that that’s already doable.
Kami 00:49:17 – 00:49:29
No, I’m telling you, Kofi, I don’t know if you watched Cloned Tyrone on Netflix, but I had an existential crisis for like a couple of weeks. I was like, what if I’m with him?
Kofi Oppong 00:49:29 – 00:49:45
Yes. And yeah, I believe they, you know, somewhere along the line somewhere. And it’s not for this discussion, but I’ve been told on authority that they’ve already done that. So maybe it’s hot. Then I’ll say hot. It’s a hot subject.
Kami 00:49:45 – 00:49:53
It is. And how do you feel about Nike Dunks replacing the Air Max as the go to? Is it hotter? Is it betrayal?
Kofi Oppong 00:49:53 – 00:49:55
That would be betrayal.
Kami 00:49:55 – 00:49:57
Okay.
Kofi Oppong 00:49:57 – 00:50:01
The Air Max is Nike and Nike and Max are one.
Kami 00:50:01 – 00:50:02
Right.
Kofi Oppong 00:50:02 – 00:50:07
And me coming from that area, yeah, that’s betrayal full stop.
Kami 00:50:07 – 00:50:26
But I don’t know, I think everybody. What’s happening is everyone sort of is like, but the dunks look so cool. But the dunks look so cool in the way that you style them. But it’s like, no, man. How do you feel about the film Interstellar? Have you watched it?
Kofi Oppong 00:50:26 – 00:50:29
No, which one was that one? Interstellar.
Kami 00:50:29 – 00:50:39
I also haven’t watched it. I liked seeing it. I’ve heard people speak about it apparently it’s like it’s a. It’s a sci-fi film and apparently it’s really good. So I guess that’s another recommendation for the list.
Kofi Oppong 00:50:39 – 00:50:45
Another recommendation. So I’m going to come back to you on those ones at some stage. Maybe we do another follow up for now. Please do.
Kami 00:50:45 – 00:50:51
Yes. And how do you feel about Grind culture?
Kofi Oppong 00:50:51 – 00:50:53
What culture? Sorry?
Kami 00:50:53 – 00:50:58
Grind culture or like hustle culture?
Kofi Oppong 00:50:58 – 00:51:53
It’s a tough one for me too. So I’m just supposed to give you hot or not. So I would say not on that because at the moment what that culture means isn’t them doing a side hustle that will become big. It’s a problem that we see that’s causing a lot of issues at that level because it leads to the crap in bucket scenario. And there’s a lot of stuff going on at that level that they’re making money in a different way and not always the best way. So it depends on what sort of hustle or what they’re doing and what it leads to.
Kami 00:51:53 – 00:51:59
Sorry, no problem. My connection just died on me.
Kofi Oppong 00:51:59 – 00:52:01
No problem. Ah, there you go.
Kami 00:52:01 – 00:52:13
I’ll ask that one again and it will just pop out like the part where lights went sideways. But please tell us, how do you feel about grind culture?
Kofi Oppong 00:52:13 – 00:52:52
I think it’s good that they’re learning, but I want them to be doing the right things and not the negative ones that they use. Young people want money too quickly. They’ve never been taught for gratification, to wait for delayed gratification. So that tends to be a problem. That they’ll do whatever it takes to get money and because they’re all in the areas of poverty. So there are two sides to this. Obviously sometimes you get really good people come through and go on to create some really cool things. But generally when we’re looking at what we’d call the suburbs or in a city, that culture tends to be a culture against the same people.
Kofi Oppong 00:52:52 – 00:53:26
That they operate with. So that’s not a good thing. And I wish for me that a lot of these programs that sort of show it, glorify it aren’t. They aren’t used so much in this country. At the moment, they’re having a debate about a program called Adolescents, and it’s actually gone to MP level. So it’s one for you. Maybe what they’ve said is that this should be shown at school. I don’t watch these types of things, but I’m on good authority. I’ve been told it’s about that sort of culture and lots of different issues that we’re having in those areas.
Kofi Oppong 00:53:26 – 00:53:32
So it might be worthwhile watching, but I won’t watch them because I think they glorify that stuff too much.
Kami 00:53:32 – 00:52:52
Yeah. And I think I agree, especially on the point that you made about, like, young people wanting money very quickly. And that’s the thing that I myself am working to sort of get out of, because I think we see people, and people aren’t necessarily always honest about, like, the journey. Right.
Kofi Oppong 00:53:49 – 00:53:50
Yes.
Kami 00:53:50 – 00:54:10
So you see a person and you admire them. I mean, I’m like, for one, for example, a big Beyonce fan. Right. But it took Beyonce, like, upwards of a decade to become Beyonce, and then it took her two decades to become what she is now. And it’s like, you want Beyonce level success, but, like, in two years.
Kofi Oppong 00:54:10 – 00:54:15
Yes. To create a secondary character as well. I mean.
Kami 00:54:15 – 00:54:15
Exactly.
Kofi Oppong 00:54:15 – 00:54:22
She’s gone through all the mindset stuff. She’s like, I couldn’t do anything if I wasn’t Sasha Fitzgerald, so.
Kami 00:54:22 – 00:54:23
Exactly.
Kofi Oppong 00:54:23 – 00:54:32
You need techniques to be able to get to that level where you can put those things forward for you to perform. And you’re correct. And that’s the problem. People don’t want to work for it.
Kami 00:54:32 – 00:54:42
Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah. How do you feel about Pitch Invaders for a selfie?
Kofi Oppong 00:54:42 – 00:54:45
Pitch Invaders first. What’s that?
Kami 00:54:45 – 00:54:51
So Pitch Invaders would be like the people that run into a soccer pitch to get like a. Oh, sorry.
Kofi Oppong 00:54:51 – 00:55:09
Pitch Invaders. Oh. Oh, that’s interesting. I would say not. Not. The reason I’d say not is because then it makes it difficult for everybody else in the future. If you run on, it means there’s extra police that then come on to the whole thing and all of that.
Kofi Oppong 00:55:09 – 00:55:16
So, yeah, I’m thinking that’s not. If you’re brave enough to be able to do that. I’m not. I wouldn’t be that brave.
Kami 00:55:16 – 00:55:34
I was about to ask you, are you planning a pitch invasion? He’s gonna make it harder I’m like, what? And how do you feel about the concept sort of in movies where AI becomes self aware, that is only telling.
Kofi Oppong 00:55:34 – 00:56:16
Us what is exactly going to happen. Unfortunately, every movie that I have watched in the 80s and 90s with technology is now here. I want to repeat that to everybody because sometimes when people are talking about this stuff and they’re like, oh, you know, I don’t think it’s going to get there. Tell me one technology that was around in the 80s and 90s that has not been discarded because it wasn’t going to go anywhere. But I can remember watching nano in Star Trek in 1992. We now have nanotechnology. I remember I called Bob Lazar talking about Area 51 and Elementary 115 and they were poo pooing him and saying oh, he’s a liar. None of this.
Kofi Oppong 00:56:16 – 00:56:39
Now element 115 is on the periodic table. How is that possible? Right? He talked about it in 1980 – something. Every single thing that we have watched from Tom Cruise, Minority Report is now here, which suggests everything we are talking about in the future is also going to be here. And that is a reality people, people don’t want to accept.
Kami 00:56:39 – 00:56:55
That is true. And I mean when you speak about movies being like predictive programming and all of that, people sort of look at you crazy and it’s like, no, but you’re literally living in a movie that happened like two decades ago. Like for real.
Kofi Oppong 00:56:55 – 00:57:32
Honestly. I’ve got a list. Kami, it’s a great question you’ve asked me. I’ve got a list of movies where every single tech, even neuralink is in Star Trek Voyager when they have this thing in the final episodes of Star Trek Voyager when she goes and she brings the people home, she goes to get something that she puts into the shuttlecraft and it’s called a neuralink. And I’m like, no way. Right. Even that is in there and it’s an interface between her and the computer to run that. And what is at the moment an interface between what the guy can do at the moment, what he doesn’t.
Kofi Oppong 00:57:32 – 00:57:40
Computer. There isn’t anything. I’ve got a list and I can show you every technology.
Kami 00:57:40 – 00:57:45
You have to share that list because I’m definitely about to go down the rabbit hole.
Kofi Oppong 00:57:45 – 00:57:49
Shows how crazy I am. People are going to switch off now.
Kami 00:57:49 – 00:57:55
No, it’s a good thing we left all the craziness for like the last.
Kofi Oppong 00:57:55 – 00:57:56
Bits of the episode.
Kami 00:57:56 – 00:58:15
We forgot all the important stuff. And yes, that brings us to the end of our game. And of course, the end of our episode. Thank you so much for being such a great guest and for giving such great insights today. And before I let you go, I want to know if you have any sort of socials or anything that you would like for us to plug.
Kofi Oppong 00:58:15 – 00:58:37
Yes. We are on LinkedIn as Urban MBA, so you will be able to find us on LinkedIn. You can follow what the company does and they sign up for our newsletter as an example. We are Urban MBA underscore on Instagram and we are Urban MBA on Twitter. So you can find us. We’re in all of that. Yeah, just like us. Follow us.
Kofi Oppong 00:58:37 – 00:58:50
What we’re trying to do is quite important if you can as well. You know, I always used to say, get told you don’t say this and donate to our charity. It will help another young person go through our course and that would. That’s what we want to do the most.
Kami 00:58:50 – 00:59:05
Yeah, definitely. And we will definitely have all of that linked in the description box for you to find as well. Thank you once again, Kofi, for joining us today and thank you at home for tuning in as well. We’ll catch you in the next episode. Bye.
Kofi Oppong 00:59:05 – 00:59:05
Thank you.