We had the pleasure of interviewing the incredible Dr. Lizelle Grobler, a woman whose expertise spans neuroscience, forensic investigations, and even the art of silk aerial performance. As the head of Iqiniso Forensic Investigations, Dr. Lizelle has built a career centred in truth, insight, and human connection—a testament to her multi-sided brilliance. Whether analysing a statement for deception, teaching the art of mind mastery, or flying through the air with silks, Dr. Lizelle is nothing short of a powerhouse.
A passion for people
When asked what drives her, Dr. Lizelle’s response is heartfelt and inspiring: “People. Love, love, love people.” For over 13 years, her work revolved around catching criminals and providing trauma counselling. It was a field both challenging and rewarding, but Dr. Lizelle always knew she’d eventually shift her focus.
In 2024, as she turned 50, Dr. Lizelle began transitioning away from hands-on forensic work, handing over the reins to her daughter and team. Now, she dedicates her time to teaching, a role she finds incredibly fulfilling. “I feel like I’m making more of a difference by sharing the knowledge I’ve gained,” she explains. Her workshops cover everything from body language to profiling—equipping others to unlock their potential and navigate the complexities of human behaviour.
Unpacking Neuro-Linguistic Programming
At the core of Dr. Lizelle’s teachings is Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), a discipline that bridges the subconscious mind, language, and behaviour. “NLP is essentially reprogramming,” she says. “We manipulate the subconscious mind to replace bad programming with positive, effective patterns.”
While it might sound like something out of a thriller, Dr. Lizelle uses this skill for good—helping people overcome trauma, improve communication, and harness the full potential of their minds. She likens the NLP practitioner’s role to the fictional character Patrick Jane from The Mentalist: “When you master NLP, you gain an extraordinary understanding of the mind. But with great power comes great responsibility. It’s all about intentions.”
Unlocking potential
Dr. Lizelle’s doctoral work in metaphysics explores the mysterious capabilities of the midbrain—a part of the brain that closes off much of its potential by the age of seven.
“Young children learn at an incredible pace because their midbrain is fully active,” she explains. “As we grow, this activity decreases, but it can be reactivated through specific practices.” Dr. Lizelle’s workshops teach individuals how to reconnect with their intuition, or ‘sixth sense’, and tap into their subconscious mind’s vast reservoir of knowledge.
By understanding the power of intuition and the speed at which the subconscious mind processes information—300,000 actions per second compared to the conscious mind’s seven—participants unlock their ‘superpower.’ As Dr. Lizelle puts it, “Activating the midbrain isn’t about magic; it’s about reclaiming the natural brilliance of your mind.”
Face, words, and handwriting
Dr. Lizelle’s forensic skills are unmatched. Through physiognomy—a 5,000-year-old science—she interprets facial features to reveal personality traits.
“For example, fuller lips indicate an extroverted personality, while curved eyebrows show an emotional connection to people,” she says. Dr. Lizelle also examines handwriting to uncover deception or emotional imbalance and analyses the content of statements to detect inconsistencies. “When people lie, their language changes. It’s the little things that give them away,” she notes, sharing a keen example of someone’s overly formal statement raising red flags.
Her ability to decode these subtle clues showcases a professional at the top of her field—someone who combines science and intuition with unmatched precision.
Empowering others
Dr. Lizelle’s journey is one of transformation—from a career centred in forensic investigations to a calling focused on empowerment through teaching. She continues to inspire those around her with her professional expertise, approachable nature, and boundless wisdom. Her story reminds us that true impact comes not just from what we achieve but from the knowledge and passion we share with others.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler’s commitment to helping others unlock their potential is a testament to the power of connection and personal growth. Whether you’re learning to read body language, activate your midbrain, or simply embrace your unique strengths, Dr. Lizelle’s message is clear: The tools for greatness are already within you.
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Transcript
Kami 00:00:03 – 00:00:44
You’ve just tuned into Innostation, where the latest and hottest topics are always on air. I’m your host, Kami, and each episode we’ll be serving up some fun chats, fire insights with some special guest appearances and a couple of surprises along the way. Now, today I’ve got the incredible Dr. Lizelle Grobler joining us from Iqiniso Forensic Investigations. And let me tell you, Dr. Lizelle is an absolute powerhouse, and I genuinely mean that. She has an extensive background as a neuro linguistic programming practitioner. She’s a polygraphist, a forensic psychophysiologist, and she’s a silk aerialist.
Kami 00:00:44 – 00:00:49
Absolutely impressive. Welcome to InnoStation, Dr. Lizelle.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:00:49 – 00:00:54
Thank you, guys. Thank you so much for having me today.
Kami 00:00:54 – 00:01:09
Of course. I’m so excited to be speaking to you. And I think to get us started, let’s help the audience to get to know you a little bit more. Tell us who Lizelle is and what fuels your inner fire.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:01:09 – 00:01:50
Okay, so definitely my answer is going to be, people love, love, love people. I used to, for the last 13 years, my main business was catching criminals, unfortunately, which seemed to be a very negative field. And then with that, I also did the profiling, which I loved for corporate companies. And we did trauma counseling, helping people, which was also amazing. So I always said, when I’m 50, I’m done catching criminals. So I turned 50 this year, and I’m handing over to my daughter and my team, so she’s running my team. We are still doing it, though, but I’m not as involved as I used to be.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:01:50 – 00:02:25
So now I’m just teaching. And I love the new energy of just teaching people. You know, it feels like I’m making more of a difference in the world to take my knowledge that I’ve gained and to just share it with other people. And to me, such a better time, such a better way to spend your time, if I can put it like that. So, yeah. So in short, like you’ve mentioned, everything you know, what my training is about is mostly mind mastery. Teaching people how to profile and teaching people how to read body language.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:02:25 – 00:02:34
How do we know when people are lying to us? So that’s mainly what I do in my corporate training and private training as well.
Kami 00:02:34 – 00:03:03
Amazing. Happy 50th. And yeah, I think let’s get into the neuro linguistic programming that you do, right. Which you have described as activation of the midbrain, which then helps us to achieve things that we otherwise would have thought ourselves incapable of doing. Can you explain what NLP is in more detail and how one goes about activating that midbrain.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:03:03 – 00:03:58
Okay, so I do two things, which is a separate thing that we do. The one is the nlp, which is Neuro linguistic programming. So it’s basically the neuro stands for the subconscious mind. Linguistics is the words and programming is to reprogramme. So we literally manipulate the subconscious mind to reprogramme whichever bad programming you’ve had in your life. So we use that for trauma counseling just to let people know, and they always understand what I’m saying. Most people know the series The Mentalist, so he’s an NLP practitioner. That’s the best way to explain to you because if you have your masters in nlp, then you’re a mentalist, meaning that you are able to manipulate the mind.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:03:58 – 00:05:04
That’s, I suppose, a bad word to use. But we do it for good. Obviously when you do start with your nlp, you do your basic training and then they’re actually very clever because they assess you before you are able to go further in nlp. So before they let you into a hypnosis training, they will be assessing you to see what are my intentions, why do I want to be able to work with people’s subconscious. And if they get any indication and they’re very clever that you want to have it because you want to manipulate people in a bad way, then they just simply won’t allow you into the further training. So then when you are accepted, you can do your hypnosis training, which just makes it a little bit more powerful, if I can put it like that. And then after that, after your 350 or so hours, you are able to enter then for your masters. And that is when you become like on a mentalist level.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:05:04 – 00:05:46
But yeah, that is nlp. Activation of the midbrain is more the metaphysics side of my training, where I’ve got my doctorate. That is where you start using your brain more to say, you know, we all know that we’ve got a very powerful brain, but we don’t know how it works. We are, you know, with the little. We just follow whatever people tell us to do and we don’t know what the ability of our brain is. So that is where we teach people to just activate a little bit more of their brain. Yeah, and it’s absolutely amazing. But those are two few different things.
Kami 00:05:46 – 00:06:14
Amazing. I love that for nlp, it’s actually very regulated. I think that’s the thing that we wouldn’t think about to make sure that the person on the other end has the right intention before equipping them with these tools to be able to do that. And as far as activation of the midbrain, I know my question and probably the audience’s question as well is like, how does one then go about activating the midbrain? Do you have a practical example that you can give us?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:06:14 – 00:07:20
Okay, midbrain, let me explain to you what it is first. So when we are children, obviously a child has to be almost super intelligence to be able to learn everything that they have to do in such a short time. Because when you’re a young child, you have to learn to speak, you have to learn to talk, to walk, you have to learn everything that you’ve got. So they’ve done a lot of studies where from about age 1 to 4 they find that about 84% of children are almost like they are super, super intelligent. Like there’s just a very high intelligence. So when they get from about 4 to 6, that drops to about 68%. And then from age 7 onwards it goes down to a very low, like I think in the low 40s. So meaning that we know now that the mid brain closes at age 7, we lose a lot of the capabilities of our mind, of our brain when we reach adulthood.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:07:20 – 00:07:58
Because I don’t know why, but I think we don’t need to activate so much to learn a lot of information in such a short time. So we literally just teach you things. Like when we do the seeing without eyes thing, for instance, we teach you how to use more of your brain. So we start just activating a little bit more of that, explaining to you what intuition is. We all know that we’ve got intuition. We call it the sixth sense. We think that only women have it, which is very wrong. Women don’t only have it, men also have it.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:07:58 – 00:08:02
They just don’t listen to it like we do. But I think we’re going to get into that a little bit later.
Kami 00:08:02 – 00:08:02
Yeah.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:08:03 – 00:08:40
So when you understand what intuition is, when you understand what your subconscious mind is, and when you start using that, that is where you start activating more of your brain. So for instance, your conscious mind works at seven actions per second. Your subconscious mind runs at about 300,000 actions per second. So starting that is your superpower it’s your intuition. Accessing that subconscious mind with all this masses of information, that is our superpower. But we don’t know how to do that. And that is what we teach people.
Kami 00:08:40 – 00:09:17
That’s really cool. Tapping Back into like a thing that you once were able to do. And then we get older and we lose it. So it’s really nice to see that you can actually get back in touch with that and relearn how to use that part of the brain. Now, as an analyst, you are a bit of an expert at examining people’s facial expressions or features, their handwriting and sort of the content of the statements that they make. Could you share some insight into how these traits help to determine a person’s character or to reveal a person’s character?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:09:17 – 00:10:04
Okay, so the first one is the facial features, which is, we call it physiognomy. It’s a 5,000 year old science and is very, very accurate. So it means that every feature on your face tells me something about your personality. For instance, let me give you two or three tips. I’m going to use your face, if you don’t mind. So if you look, if you look at your lips, it means that you are a more extroverted type of person than introverted. When you have thinner lips, you’re more introverted, a little bit fuller lips, more extroverted when you have, for instance, I presume we’ve got a curved forehead. I can only see you from the front, not from the side.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:10:04 – 00:10:46
But when you have, there you go, it’s a curve. Do you see, you’ve got a little bit of a round forehead, which tells me that you are a very creative person. You live in your mind a lot. You can imagine all these things. You’re very creative, you’re a little bit of a daydreamer. You’ve got curved eyebrows, which means you connect emotionally to people. It’s like your teachers, your HR managers, your people who work with people. So you’re able to emphasise almost where you’re able to connect to people emotionally, you are able to feel when something’s wrong.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:10:46 – 00:11:29
It throws your whole day. If you get into an office and there’s people who had a fight, you can’t concentrate because why are these people fighting? You’re very closely connected to people. And the fact that you’ve got higher eyebrows than lower, meaning hooded eyebrows, which is low, higher brows means that you think before you speak. You know that you think things through. You won’t run off your mouth and then think, oh my word, I shouldn’t have said that. So you’re more of the person who would think about something before you make a decision. And you’re not very impulsive. I can’t see your ears, but basically you should have.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:11:29 – 00:12:00
Yeah, mid ears. You don’t have very high ears. You’ve got mid ears, meaning that you don’t walk in, see something and just buy it because you can, you will think about it and make a decision. So that’s just, in short, what I can see on your face. So everything about someone’s face tells you a story. And if we are able to understand the person that walks into the room, let’s say for instance, I’m a sales manager. If I push someone like you, for instance, I’m going to lose him.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:12:00 – 00:12:52
Because you don’t like to be pushed. I don’t want to make a decision today. I want the brochures, I want the information, I want to go home, I want to think about it and I will decide where people with low, if they’ve got a low brow, like almost a hooded brow, very high ears, they’re very impulsive. So if a salesperson is going to push you, you’re probably going to buy the product immediately because you’re impulsive. But now I know how to deal with you so that I don’t make you angry or lose you like in a minute. It takes you about a minute to make a good profile of someone’s face and to teach this to people in a corporate environment so that they can firstly understand each other better and understand the client that they work with better. It is such an advantage to anyone to have that knowledge. I wish that I was taught this in school when I was younger.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:12:52 – 00:14:07
I mean, man, if we had this knowledge going into the world, what an amazing place that would be. And then facial features, you talking about micro expressions, for instance, is what we use in interrogations. So if someone shows, for instance, you lost your… Your husband is missing or your wife’s missing or whatever, and you’re not showing fear, but you’re showing anger or contempt, there’s a problem. Why are you angry? Why are you showing contained instead of fear or sadness? So you have to look at when you speak to people, what is that split second that they’re showing on their face before they hide it? A lot of the time you can’t see it with the eye. When we interview or interrogate, we take a video recording. So afterwards, on the specific questions, if you freeze the frame, you will be amazed at what you see in people’s faces where you could not see it with the naked eye when speaking to them because it happens so quickly. But when you freeze that frame, you see that so, so clearly, it gives you, it tells us a story.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:14:07 – 00:14:57
And then the other thing we do is obviously handwriting analysis is a double fold thing. You can see someone’s whole personality in his handwriting. Same as facial profiling can tell you everything about, are you introverted, extroverted? Everything about your personality can also say if you’re emotionally imbalanced at the moment. In your handwriting, you can read deception in handwriting, you can see when someone’s lying in their handwriting. And then also statement content analysis is what we say, the words that come from your mouth. Because people who lie speak differently from people who tell the truth. There’s certain things that they will do. To give you an example, every time you, someone tells you a story and you think, why would they say that? That’s a stupid thing to say.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:14:57 – 00:15:31
That’s a problem. For instance, to give you very famous examples, did you sleep with that woman? If I ask you, did you sleep with that guy? What’s your answer going to be? No, no, no, I didn’t. You know, it’s short and sweet. It’s not a “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.” We don’t speak like that. It sounds odd. I had a police statement the other day from a guy who said, I did not give anyone permission on request to steal my company car.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:15:31 – 00:15:59
It was an armed robbery at your house. Why would you say it like that? You know, why would you. It’s a company car. Apparently they robbed his house with his TV and his car and everything. But he told us what he did in his police statement. Because I did not give anyone permission on request to steal my company car. Tell me exactly what you did. Someone asked you, can I steal your company car? You gave them permission and they paid you.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:15:59 – 00:16:42
You were in on it. And we tested and he failed like that because people don’t speak like that. So where normally, you know, it would go over your head if I interrogate someone. For instance, we had a situation where I interrogated a woman about money that went missing that she took home from the office. Petty cash money. She was worried about leaving it at the office, put it in an envelope. And if you listen to her statement the whole time, the first day when she speaks about the money, she says, I took the money in the envelope, I put it in my bag, got home, put it in my cupboard, the money was still there, everything was fine. And the next morning, the wording changes from money to envelope.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:16:42 – 00:17:23
She stops talking about money. Now she says, the next morning the envelope was still in my bag, took it home, put it under the table. By 12 o’clock, when I checked the envelope, the money was missing. What did she do? Her brain wants to keep as close as possible to the truth because your brain will always give you away. Your subconscious will always want to stay as close as possible to the truth. So in her mind she knew that there was no money in the envelope. So the brain started speaking about envelopes instead of the word money because the mind knew that there was no money in the envelope. So someone that’s not trained in this would probably miss it.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:17:23 – 00:17:52
You wouldn’t pick. But it is such a very fine detail. But there is so much that you can pick up on what people are saying. So any, any emphasis. I did not do that, like very much. In emphasizing something is probably trying to, you know, it’s, it’s probably something that’s deceitful instead of. I didn’t know. Short and sweet no more.
Kami 00:17:52 – 00:17:52
Right?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:17:53 – 00:18:01
More. Yeah. So there’s so much that you can, can hear and when, when people speak, it’s actually scary.
Kami 00:18:01 – 00:18:17
That is terrifying. That actually is so terrifying. And I imagine, it must be wild to be able to pick that up because once you’re off the clock in your personal life. You’re like, why are you lying to me?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:18:17 – 00:18:43
Yeah, unfortunately, I remember when we did a training, Detection of Deception training, the instructor used to say to us, please remember, if the switch is on, it’s on. You will never switch it off. So, yeah, you are not able to switch it off. You know, when people are lying to you. But I have found that in a social environment you don’t call people on a lie.
Kami 00:18:43 – 00:18:43
Yeah.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:18:44 – 00:19:43
Because you will like within three weeks have no friends left. You do not make people uncomfortable. You don’t tell them and if it’s a situation, like let’s say it’s a situation where it’s a cheating husband or something like that, or cheating wife or whatever, you’re not going to call someone on the first lie because if you call him on the first lie, he’s going to be wary that you know that he’s lying. So you listen and you give them rope to lie more because as they lie more, you get more information. So if I know what you are lying about, it gives me more of an indication of what you are up to. So let them lie because somewhere they’re going to lie themselves into a corner. If you allow people to lie more, there is a point in time where you can not go any further, where your lies are going to catch up to you.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:19:43 – 00:20:16
It will always happen. The truth will always hunt you down and you need to give them rope. You know, in an interrogation, I speak very little. We’ve got two ears and one, one mouth for a reason. I believe people feel intimidated when they are feeling threatened because they know they’re lying. And you just look at them because they don’t know what you know. You make them feel uncomfortable. If you are feeling guilty, silence is not a good thing.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:20:16 – 00:20:41
You feel uncomfortable. The longer the silence, the more uncomfortable. So what do you do? You start speaking and when you speak, just to sort of close uncomfortable silence. You always give too much information. You give me information that I did not ask you. You are denying things that I did not ask you. And we just draw that information by listening. But yeah, you keep quiet.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:20:41 – 00:20:50
You ask the question and you keep quiet. You don’t speak the whole time. You let people lie because that’s how you get to the truth.
Kami 00:20:50 – 00:21:14
That is incredibly interesting. Now, I think as part of this, you’ve also mentioned that you do offer training to corporates that are looking to fill sort of high profile positions. And you teach them sort of mind, body and language training. How important are these techniques in sort of finding the right fit for the position?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:21:14 – 00:22:06
Okay, so if we do a profile on someone, you need to know that the person that you are appointing, let’s say I’m looking for a good sales rep. And to start off with, your bottom lip should be thicker than your top lip. If you’re a good salesman, that’s a dead giveaway. If that’s not the case, you are not naturally a good salesperson. I’m not saying that you can’t. I’m just saying it’s going to be harder for you than someone that it comes naturally for. Like those people that can sell ice to an Eskimo. If you know someone like that and they just always are able to either win the fight because they can bring their, you know, they went over to you or they are just a good salesman, I promise you 95% their bottom lip will be thicker than the top lip.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:22:06 – 00:22:28
So if you know things like that, you know what to look for. If I tell you I’m a people person, but I’ve got eyebrows like that. You’re not a people person. Sorry, you just aren’t. So you can. The problem with interviewing is people can put in their CV what they want. They can tell you what you want, what they want. You don’t know that person.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:22:28 – 00:23:25
So how do I make sure that I don’t waste my money and appoint the wrong person and find out six months down the line, oh my word, I appointed the wrong person. So a lot of corporations invest in that because they can’t afford anymore to make those types of mistakes, especially on a very executive level because it’s costing you money. So yeah, by profiling someone, you sometimes just sit in on the interview. So firstly to pick up on whatever fips they’re telling you about their CV or their experience or whatever it might be. We also are able to check your criminal record, your certificates, your background, everything on your resume. We are able to check if it is true. I mean, in South Africa specifically we find that and all around the world we found people that are able to put themselves.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:23:25 – 00:24:14
There’s a… I can’t remember if it’s a girl or a guy. I must actually get my information. That puts themselves forward as a medical doctor and they don’t have the qualification. I don’t know how the hell he did it, and a pilot in South Africa, we’ve got a pilot that was not trained, went through the full commercial thing and he’s been flying for how many years and they don’t have the proper training. So what’s going to happen in a situation like that? I’m not saying he can’t fly, obviously he can fly, but he did not go through the proper training that he was supposed to have. Because in South Africa, apparently you can unfortunately, let me put it like that, everything’s for sale, every qualification, every certificate, an id. If you want to buy an id, you can buy an id, you can buy your driver’s license.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:24:14 – 00:24:34
We know how it is. Yeah, so how do we know that the certifications that you give me is the proper certification? So that’s where we come in. So interview, profile, check the qualifications and that just saves you money and make sure that you will be a fit for the position that they want to put you in.
Kami 00:24:34 – 00:24:51
Right. And I think it also saves organisations sort of the legal implications because sure, it’s all good and well when things are going great, but if something does happen and then it turns out that like the company didn’t do their due diligence in terms of qualifications, etcetera, That’s a big problem as well.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:24:51 – 00:25:47
Yeah, unfortunately that is a problem. So yeah, if you can do all those things and save money and then obviously we can also do your psychometric testing. We’ve got someone on staff, a psychologist that does that for us. So we can do all those things if you want certain characteristics apart from the profiling that we do psychometric testing. If we put the two together, it’s always a fit. The profile always speaks with the psychometric testing and then we know we’re good. You know, you’ve got the person that you’re looking for and yeah, unfortunately a lot of the time psychometric testing and things like that can be very expensive. So that is where I prefer profiling because it’s the same accuracy level but to get the same to the same end result, but it’s just not as expensive.
Kami 00:25:47 – 00:25:58
Yeah. And while we’re on the topic of sort of training, are there any courses that like training that you offer outside of your offerings for corporates as well?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:25:58 – 00:26:35
Yes, I do quite a few. If people are interested, they can just look at my Facebook page at Dr. Lizelle Grobler. So I do have a zoom training specifically for the private market. So if you as a person are interested in learning these things, you sign up for one of the zoom trainings. We are busy this year we did the basic level. So you teach basic facial profiling, basic body language and basic mind mastery. Next year I’m going to launch my advanced training for everybody that did the basics last year, they can now do that the advance, I will also be launching separate training.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:26:35 – 00:26:59
So for instance, if I am interested in facial profiling but not in mind mastery, I can sign up for a zoom where I can do the basic and the advanced. But then it’s only facial profiling for that session and then I’ll do the same with mind mastery and the same with body language. Yeah.
Kami 00:26:59 – 00:27:41
Amazing. Now we’re going to link to your website and then also to your Facebook as well for anybody that is interested in sort of grabbing a course ahead of the new year. Now with your business again, Iqiniso Forensic Investigations. You’ve led sort of an all female team. And this goes back to what we were speaking about with regards to intuition and you said the basis of this is basically that women are a bit more intuitive than men or that we sort of pay more attention to our intuition. Why do you think that that is? Why are we that much more inclined to sort of pay attention to what the intuition is saying versus men.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:27:41 – 00:28:17
There’s only one word to describe it and the word is ego. So men unfortunately have an ego. So when women we all have intuition because all of us have a subconscious mind that works at 300,000 actions per second. It works 360 degrees. So I know what is happening behind my back. Yeah, you know, I don’t know how, but you know what’s happening behind you. You didn’t see it with your senses, but you know what’s happening.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:28:17 – 00:28:49
And that is what intuition is. So let’s say, for instance, I’m walking to the door and somewhere behind me, someone runs past the window. I did not notice consciously, but subconsciously I am aware that it happened. Now my intuition tells me don’t walk out the front door. What do women do? We are emotional beings. We listen. If I don’t feel well because something’s off and you know how it is. If I feel I shouldn’t go out the door, what are we going to do? We’re not going to go out the door.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:28:49 – 00:29:17
The younger men are, the more testosterone they’ve got in their bodies. They have the same feeling, but logically, they wouldn’t listen. Why would I not go out? There’s no reason for that. What, let’s go see what’s outside. And then they just walk. So they would use their conscious mind to logically think of why shouldn’t I walk out the door. Nothing tells me that there’s a reason not to do that.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:29:17 – 00:29:44
And they don’t listen to their intuition. I just had a guy in my training when I did this, he said to me, I know exactly what you’re talking about. He’s young, I think he’s in his early 30s. And he said, if I did that, if I listened to my intuition, I would not have been hijacked. He said, because he… Something happened. His flight got canceled. He was going to go and pick up his new car, but his flight was canceled.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:29:44 – 00:30:04
And his body told him, leave it, do not go today. Tomorrow’s another day. Go home, book another flight for tomorrow. Something went wrong. The flight was canceled or something. And he was angry and he was logical. And he said, no, I want to go today. He ignored that warning.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:30:04 – 00:30:51
He booked another flight, he flew, and as he was driving from the airport, picked up his car, drove back, he got hijacked. And he truly believes that if he listened, he would not have been there that day, you would have gone the next day, and you would not have hijacked. But men don’t listen. So that’s the first thing. The other thing I found with men in investigations is they are scary, they are intimidating, they push too much. Where women are very emotional, very soft beings. You will speak if a woman is properly trained like my analysts are all trained. They’re all trained in nlp, they’re all trained in profiling.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:30:51 – 00:31:31
They trained in interrogation. They are soft and they listen and they know how and they push through with what they pick up from that person. They know how their intuition works and they know which questions to ask. So in being soft, you remember there’s an old saying, something like, you’re gonna get more with honey than sour. Honey is better with honey than vinegar. Okay, so because if you are in a situation where you did something wrong, you are scared, you know that you stole the money and you don’t know how to get out of this situation.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:31:31 – 00:32:22
If I put a big man in front of you that’s interrogating you and scaring you, you’re gonna close up like a book. You’re gonna be so scared. If I put a soft spoken, soft woman in front of you that has the ability to pull information from you because you feel comfortable with her, she’s got the ability to build rapport because she’s trained to do so. And she just comes around the corner and sneaky, sneaky, and she pulls out all the information. Why? Because I want to speak to you. Because people want to speak the truth about things that I actually saw in my 13 years of doing this, they all want to come out with the truth. Because hiding things is scary.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:32:22 – 00:32:48
It’s work. It’s difficult. You can’t remember what, what the hell I told this person and what am I? You can’t, it feels like there’s a weight falling off of your shoulders the moment you confess and you actually want to confess. So that is why a lot of the times I have to say to someone, I don’t care. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if you’re cheating on your wife. I didn’t ask you.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:32:48 – 00:33:05
It’s. We’re talking about this now. We’re not talking about that. I don’t care that you’re using drugs now. People give us too much information. They give us because they show. If you can make them feel comfortable, they will speak to you.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:33:05 – 00:33:30
And that is the difference between a woman and a man interrogator. Because they are soft spoken. It’s easier to confess to a woman than to a scary man. And that’s not nothing, you know, against the men, but it’s just the way I found that my women interrogators are better than the men. So yeah, I think we’re born to do this to make people feel comfortable.
Kami 00:33:30 – 00:34:05
Right. And it’s true what you were saying about this. As soon as you get someone to open up about one thing, then they just sort of spill their guts. Now you have like, I did not need to know that. That’s very interesting. On a lighter note, something that you have gotten into is silk aerialism. And this is one of those activities that may be a little bit intimidating to the average person just because you’re up in the air the whole time. But how did you get into that? That’s an interesting hobby to have.
Kami 00:34:05 – 00:34:07
How did you end up?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:34:07 – 00:34:56
Okay, so my oldest daughter is a pole fitness instructor. There’s a big difference between pole dancing and pole fitness. Pole fitness, those women are so strong, their core is unbelievable. So she did that and she’s also an aerial silk instructor. And we ended up, she ended up bullying me into opening an aerial studio in Nelspruit So it was in 2020. We opened on the 1st of February, like six weeks before COVID which was horrible. But anyway, we opened up this huge 500 square meter building where we did bungee fitness, pole fitness, aerial silks and the Kangoo boots.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:34:56 – 00:36:00
So everything we did was elevated. And then I was supposed to just be the owner of this business. And then I thought, you know what people are like, you say they are scared, they all want to do it, but they’re too scared to come and try it. So you’ve got these instructors up in the air and people look at them and they say, oh my word, I’m going to break my neck, I can’t do that. And then they don’t even want to try because they’re too scared. Even the young girls, the girls in high school, you know, we found, okay, you young, you can try this, make you scared. And then my sister in law and I, we both grandmothers at that stage already and we just looked at this and we said, well, if we want to pull the people here, if the grandmothers can do it, then you don’t have an excuse. So we sort of did it to try and pull the youngsters to say, listen man, if the grannies can do it, what are you scared of? And it took us literally like 3 to 4 months just to be able to climb 6 meter meters up because you have to pull your body weight.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:36:00 – 00:37:19
So it took us a long time, you know, just to build that core to be able to do this. And then like after a year, we were totally hooked. I absolutely loved it because then I realised how I am able to push my limits. You know, if you can push your limits in your body and do things that you never ever thought you would be able to do, do you know how much more you can push your mind and in everything that you do? Because if I’m not too scared to do that triple drop and I end up doing it and wow, what a feeling, then tomorrow you are up to the next thing and the next thing and it pulls through to your life. Because now all of a sudden, I’m not scared to do anything. I’m not scared to try anything because bloody hell, if I can do that, what else can I do? So, yeah, I just, I love the feeling of what it is, what it did for me to say you can push your physical limits and it means you can push your mental limits because it’s a very mental sport. If you look at those women and you look at them how they do those triple drops and you think, oh my word, I can never do that. And then you sort of break it down and you start with the first one and then you do a double drop and then you end up doing a triple drop and you think, okay, I’m doing this.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:37:19 – 00:37:45
How did I do it? It’s a mental thing, but you have to learn to push yourself. And yeah, I’ve sold the studio, unfortunately, and we moved to Langebaan, so I sold my rig. So I haven’t, I haven’t done it in like 10 months or so. But I loved it. It was absolutely, for me, so much more than a sport. It taught me how much more we can do than what we think we’re capable of doing.
Kami 00:37:45 – 00:38:13
Yeah. And I think that speaks to a belief that I have that like you need evidence with anything. If you’re scared to do something, you can pull on evidence from like other instances where you were brave. If you feel like, oh, I’m not that into extroverted or I’m not that strong, it’s like, yeah, but I go to gym and I lift like 20 kg on each arm. Sure, I can pick this up. Sure, I can do that. So yeah, it’s really cool how that works.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:38:13 – 00:38:54
It is. It’s amazing. And I think I told you when we spoke previously, on a previous day, I told you that you are able with your mind to make yourself instantly three, four times stronger and heavier. And we teach women this when we teach them self defense and things like that. Because if I need to be in the moment, let’s say, for instance, I am cable tied. And I need to get out of it. I need that adrenaline. And when normally we think that adrenaline happens on its own, you are able to center yourself so that you can decide when you need that adrenaline.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:38:54 – 00:39:16
And you are literally able to break that cable tie because you are able to center and use it when you need it, not just wait for it to kick in. And we teach women how to do this because we have the ability to manipulate the mind. It’s what we were supposed to do. We just never knew we were able to do it.
Kami 00:39:16 – 00:39:37
Sure. Really, guys, go and grab a course from Dr. Lizelle. Some of these things are, like, very much applicable to just life in general and not necessarily just within the realm of work. You can use these in personal relationships, in just smash. Making sure that you’re smashing your goals as well. It’s very interesting what you do. And Dr.
Kami 00:39:37 – 00:40:04
Lizelle, before I let you go, I would love to play a round of hot takes with you. It’s our signature game over here at Innostation. And how it works is I just ask you a series of rapid fire questions and then you just answer with hot or not, depending on how you feel about it. Amazing. Cool. So the first thing I want to know is how you feel about horseback riding in the veld.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:40:04 – 00:40:09
Not. I fell off horse when I was very small, so definitely not.
Kami 00:40:09 – 00:40:21
Oh, my goodness. That’s like the one thing I’m like. I want horses when I’m older, when I retire. And how do you feel about karaoke?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:40:21 – 00:40:34
Not, I’m actually an introvert, believe it or not. I taught myself how to speak in front of people, so I’m definitely not comfortable singing. I don’t even sing in the shower.
Kami 00:40:34 – 00:40:48
Oh, my gosh. How do you feel about doing a split in the air? Like, especially on a pole? You know how they’re able to, like, do splits and do all of these things? How do you hot or not?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:40:48 – 00:40:51
Yes. I love that.
Kami 00:40:51 – 00:40:54
How do you feel about daily meditation?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:40:54 – 00:40:57
Love that.
Kami 00:40:57 – 00:41:01
New Year’s resolutions.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:41:01 – 00:41:34
Sure. Getting into teaching people more, learning more for myself. I don’t think I’ll ever stop learning. I’ve got. I’m going on to something different. I found a few new things that I’m interested in that I’m going to learn because I know that there’s not a lot of people in South Africa that teach that. So I want to teach things to South African people that we don’t have. So definitely in the new year, I’ll be doing more of those things.
Kami 00:41:34 – 00:41:40
Amazing. How do you feel about pulling an all-nighter to watch a show?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:41:40 – 00:41:42
I can do that.
Kami 00:41:42 – 00:41:51
I think we’re all guilty of that. How do you feel about camping in the backyard?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:41:51 – 00:42:12
I love camping. I don’t think I’ll do it in my own backyard. I believe nature is so amazing. I just look at the Cedarbergs now. We live close to the Cedarbergs. It’s like an hour and a half ago away and wow, I love camping. So not in my backyard, though, but camping, yes.
Kami 00:42:12 – 00:42:29
And it’s interesting because I find that, like, people that genuinely like to camp out in the wild out in the world wouldn’t necessarily do it in their backyard, but the backyard people that don’t necessarily feel like they want to be out there in the world are like, yeah, I could do my backyard.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:42:29 – 00:42:33
Okay, no that’s boring.
Kami 00:42:33 – 00:42:44
Right? It’s like you’re at home. Technically, you’re still at home now because it’s the season. How do you feel about fruitcake?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:42:44 – 00:42:51
I never used to eat it and just all of a sudden in my life I grew to love it. So I love it. Yeah.
Kami 00:42:51 – 00:43:02
Oh, cool. How do you feel about going for the highest drop without any fears, especially because you’re a silk aerialist? How do you feel about it?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:43:02 – 00:43:28
I can do… I can do an aerial drop. I don’t know why, but the silk around my body makes me feel safe. I will not jump out of a plane or in a bungee. I had the opportunity at 16. My dad was a pilot, my brother was a skydiver, and I refused. I did not want to. No, I will not jump out of a plane, but I will do a triple drop from 8 meters in the air.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:43:28 – 00:43:30
Yes, that’ll do.
Kami 00:43:30 – 00:43:37
Fair enough. How do you feel about holiday puns?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:43:37 – 00:43:38
Holiday?
Kami 00:43:38 – 00:43:49
Holiday puns. So you know how everyone does, like, all these plays on words that have to do with, like, a specific holiday or a specific special day?
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:43:49 – 00:44:09
I’m not very high on every specific day, but I love holidays. I love Christmas time. I’m not good with, like, Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day and all these things. But, yeah, I think Christmas time is a special time of the year.
Kami 00:44:09 – 00:44:28
Cool. So, Dr. Lizelle, that was my last little question for hot takes. And before you leave, please plug your social media and also any other platform that you would like to sort of direct the audience to in case they want to get in touch with you and sort of learn more about what you do.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:44:28 – 00:45:01
Okay. So my Facebook is the easiest. I have a private Facebook page just my name is Lizelle Grobler. I prefer that they go to my professional one which is Dr. Lizelle Grobler because I put all my ads up there. I’m not good with social media. I have to warn you, my Instagram, I can’t really remember when I… Twitter, Instagram. I’m not, you know, we’re the older generation, we don’t do well with social media. My website is just IqinisoForensicInvestigations.co.za.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:45:01 – 00:45:20
So yeah, Tiktok I am there but I again don’t do much there. So I think the best is just to visit my Facebook page and yeah, they can see on my website what we do. But yeah, that’s sort of me. I’m not too good with social media.
Kami 00:45:20 – 00:45:34
Awesome. Then we will link those in the description box for everybody to find. But thank you so much for your time, Dr. Lizelle. This was super informative and very fun. Sort of learning all of these little things that you can implement.
Dr. Lizelle Grobler 00:45:34 – 00:45:37
It was lovely speaking to you guys.
Kami 00:45:37 – 00:45:37
Awesome.